1. Bali Bali on July 23, 2022 at 7:20 pm

    U are a man of culture i too have 3 shortguns

  2. Stan Andrews on July 23, 2022 at 7:21 pm

    Great video I love Winchester pump shotguns especially the model 12 truly the “Perfect Repeater” I have a few my favorite is a Heavy Duck with a 30 inch solid ribbed barrel. Another sweet Winchester pump is the model 42 410 bore.

  3. Michael Trotter on July 23, 2022 at 7:21 pm

    I found that a winchester model 3000 is a rare and fantastic shotgun

  4. Neil Alexander on July 23, 2022 at 7:21 pm

    I have my dad’s model 12 (built in 1925). He was such a great shot with it.

  5. Warren Green on July 23, 2022 at 7:22 pm

    All keep my 500 mossberg field model

  6. Monty Casper on July 23, 2022 at 7:28 pm

    Does Winchester make shotguns anymore? I thought they were all sourced from Turkey and then stamped Winchester.

  7. Jarrett Bissett on July 23, 2022 at 7:28 pm

    Ive seen this video several times. Everything has been well said Sir, hats off to you,

  8. George McKenzie on July 23, 2022 at 7:29 pm

    I i am no comfortable wth a. Hammerless guns that has shells in the gun that Mickey mouse safety pin can be moved to shooting possession to shoot to. easily

  9. Michael Fitzell on July 23, 2022 at 7:29 pm

    The Browning BPS is also a great pump action shotgun!

  10. Monty Crain on July 23, 2022 at 7:29 pm

    You forgot the Remington 31 and Ithaca 37. The single action bar in those and the model 12 is a Superior design than the 870 double bars in my opinion.

  11. bristlecone Pinus on July 23, 2022 at 7:30 pm

    Ithaca made a great pump too, that bottom eject ambidexterous Browning design, top tang safety etc. but i love my 870.

  12. Andrew Bobro on July 23, 2022 at 7:34 pm

    One of my hunting buddies is deadly with his Model 12. Everything else……well. he grew up with it, so it makes sense.

  13. James Kietzer on July 23, 2022 at 7:35 pm

    The Winchester model 12 was available from the Winchester Custom Shop through the year 1987. Probably using leftover parts. I think close to 3 million were made. Not including the model 42. Which was a scaled down model 12 but in 410 gauge.

  14. Robert Akerson on July 23, 2022 at 7:36 pm

    Mr. USOG- In my opinion those 16 gauge Model 12 guns handle exceptionally well. Almost like a good double gun.

  15. Bob Anderson on July 23, 2022 at 7:36 pm

    Have to respectfully disagree. I started hunting with Mod 12s and went to an 870 Wingmaster when steel became mandatory. I then wondered why all the fuss about the Mod 12. Much prefer the Wingmaster. BTW, Google Rudy Etchen. He put thousands of rounds through an 870; it held up great.

  16. George Southwick on July 23, 2022 at 7:38 pm

    Not too many around, but the Winchester Model 25 is basically the same shotgun as the Model 12 except it does not take down.

  17. Joe Truth on July 23, 2022 at 7:39 pm

    I have always been a Browning guy when it comes to pump shotguns. I own three BPS models in 12, 16, and 20 gauges. After watching your videos I decided to look for a Model 12 as a project gun so I went to my local pawn / gun shop to see what was there in the way of a model 12. The owner had one in the back room but it was not a project gun. He produced a 12 Gauge field model that was in near mint condition made in 1955. Needless to say I bought it on the spot. It has a 26” barrel choked modified and a 2.75 chamber. I asked the owner how long he had it in inventory and to my surprise he said 5 years. I took it to my trap club last week and broke 20 out of 25 with it. Very impressed with the smooth action. I do a good bit of crow hunting so I plan on taking it out on the next hunt. Thanks for the great videos, always informative.

  18. Robert Mecalis on July 23, 2022 at 7:42 pm

    Great comparison review.

  19. chad cowman on July 23, 2022 at 7:44 pm

    Where do u even find a winchester 12?

  20. The Swamp Fox on July 23, 2022 at 7:45 pm

    I own several guns of both models- prefer the wing master over the model 12

  21. mike beddingfield on July 23, 2022 at 7:45 pm

    I think the model 12 is one of the best designs, and as far as ease of use and durability go it is unmatched. J.m. browning let one of his best designs slip to winchester when he helped design it.

  22. Wildest Bill. on July 23, 2022 at 7:48 pm

    My uncle Willie P long loves the model 12 he is from Hot Coffee, Mississippi he has kept a model 12 at his moonshine still for over 50 years except for 2 years uncle Willie P. Went to federal prison.

  23. tommyb826 on July 23, 2022 at 7:50 pm

    I have one of each. My model 12 (16 gauge) was made in 1953. Belonged to my g-ma. Still take it out pat hunting.
    Great video!

  24. COVERT ARRANGEMENTS on July 23, 2022 at 7:50 pm

    I too am a collector off wood stocked vintage shotguns. I prefer them as they have more soul! 🤠

  25. Joe Truth on July 23, 2022 at 7:51 pm

    Saw a near mint condition model 1897 at one of the turkey shoots. Nice to talk to some of the owners to hear how some of these classics have been passed down through their families. They are not just guns, they come with memories of fathers and grandfathers.

  26. Steven Greer on July 23, 2022 at 7:52 pm

    You have to use what fits your frame and shooting style. With the Remington 870 I shoot high. With the Winchester model 12 and the Ithaca 37 Featherlight I’m always right on target.

  27. BIG FRANK on July 23, 2022 at 7:52 pm

    How much do you want for that 3” model 12?

  28. Shahroze Khurram on July 23, 2022 at 7:55 pm

    We need to know 870 vs 1300

  29. Amy-Joe on July 23, 2022 at 7:58 pm

    It is really called a slide action

  30. VKK support on July 23, 2022 at 8:00 pm

    Valta kuuluu kansalle-mainos. Muistakaakin pitää maahanmuutto-ongelma siellä sivummalla. Kämmätään, jos ratsastetaan samalla asialla, kuin persut (SKE:n tusinatulos 2019). Mennään EU-, koronatouhu- ja ennen kaikkea persuvastaisuudella. Sieltä ne äänestäjät on pakko ottaa. Perussuomalaisten äänestäjät eivät käsitä, jotta heidän organisaatio on vaatimuksineen yhden asian puolue. Eivätkä myöskään sitä, että eivät saa maahanmuuttoteesejänsä lähellekään sellaisinaan läpi. Perussuomalaiset puristavat koko ajan maahanmuuttoasiaa minkä seurauksena näyttävät suvakkikonsensuspuolueiden silmissä iljettäviltä. Ei ole vaikea päätellä mitä tämä tietää hallitusneuvotteluissa. Sen lisäksi persuilla on vastassa EU:n ja YK:n Suomen päällekkäinen lainsäädäntö. Konkreettista muutosta ei niitä äänestämällä saa. Me erotaan EU:sta, sekä lähdetään YK:sta, jos meidät sieltä niskuroinnin vuoksi ulos laitetaan. VMP. Siksi VKK.

    Suvakkien persuihin lyömä "kiihkopuolue"-leima siirtyy luonnollisesti ajan saatossa VKK:lle. Mitä meidän ei tule vastustaa. SKE yritti samalla apajilla, kuin perussuomalaiset 2019 ja turpaan tuli, että paukahti ja oksat pois paineaallon seurauksena. Mutta näin persut saavat lisää kannatusta 5%-yksikköä. Minkä me pois persuilta otamme annamme takaisin. Ja älkää te persuja äänestäkö. On siellä massoittain heikkohermoisia, jotka sen tekevät.

  31. Moo Butt on July 23, 2022 at 8:01 pm

    I’ll stick with my 1897’s and my 1100 and my 500 and my Stevens and my Ithaca and my Henry. Holy shit! I think I have a problem.

  32. John Eric Toledano on July 23, 2022 at 8:03 pm

    what is by15? remington 870 or winchester 1200?

  33. Roscoe1856 S on July 23, 2022 at 8:04 pm

    The selling point for the 870 is the ease of disassembly. The easier it is to take apart and clean the better.

  34. Mushin on July 23, 2022 at 8:06 pm

    Old video but heres my 2 cents while the model 12 is better quality build from the factory compared to the 870 that all changes when you consider that the 870 is one of the most customizable platforms out there on top of that if you bust parts in a model 12 who exactly is gonna be able to replace them? In my opinion you’re better off getting a good 870 its more versatile in its uses than the model 12. Hunting/home defense/competition etc. A good 870 will serve you much better.

  35. Rocks and Oil on July 23, 2022 at 8:07 pm

    Love the Ithaca 37, but I own a 870 in 16 ga…kicks like a mule, but GRACO in Gravette, AR can fix that…

  36. COVID UNDERGROUND on July 23, 2022 at 8:09 pm

    if a gun is discontinued it can’t be the best it is a hasbeen. Mossberg 500 or Rem 870 is best and both are still produced taking about dinosaurs is futile.

  37. Carlos Lopez on July 23, 2022 at 8:10 pm

    I just picked up a remington sportsman 12 pump with rifled sights fixed smooth bore slug barrel I haven’t seen many of these online but the guy said it was made in the 80s and it’s in excellent condition very beautiful gun I spent 320 on it used I just wanna know if it’s a quality gun

  38. Joe Lahnstein on July 23, 2022 at 8:10 pm

    i am lucky enough to have my dad’s Model 12 he purchased in 1959 and had a PolyChoke installed. He took everything from deer to pheasants with it. still as smooth as silk. i have and have had several firearms. the 12 is by far my favorite both for sentimental and practical reasons.

  39. Timmy Normand on July 23, 2022 at 8:10 pm

    Sell me yours for 200 dollars

  40. chris smith on July 23, 2022 at 8:13 pm

    Thank you sir for your review I just bought a old 1942 model 12 close to the the WW2 dates but no US. Stamp but from the periods for 450$

  41. Brian Hannold on July 23, 2022 at 8:13 pm

    I have a WesternField 550A 12 gauge. I got it from a friend for cheap just to get my first shotgun to learn to shoot and pattern with.

  42. Ferengi profiteer on July 23, 2022 at 8:14 pm

    I shoot Remington pumps. 22Lr, 308, 12 and 20 ga. All bought before there were apple computers. None ever in the shop for anything. All still shoot better than I can aim.
    Not much for punching paper, just hunting since I outgrew BB guns.
    "Better" by degrees losses meaning.

  43. The Left Handed Shooter on July 23, 2022 at 8:15 pm
  44. Brian Winters on July 23, 2022 at 8:16 pm

    This man has great knowledge but not the most interesting speaker.

  45. Joseph F on July 23, 2022 at 8:16 pm

    Love my Model 12s. They’re built like tanks.

  46. Joe Truth on July 23, 2022 at 8:17 pm

    Great video as always! My trap club runs turkey shoots every Fall as a way to raise funds. Us old timers show up with all of our fixed choked shotguns from our youth. We see a lot of 870’s, model 12’s and model 37’s, along with some classic American doubles. Nice to see polished bluing and walnut as opposed to synthetic stocks and mat finishes.

  47. Gray Alley on July 23, 2022 at 8:19 pm

    Love your videos. So much knowledge on history and engineering of firearms. Never ending stream of knowledge

  48. COVID UNDERGROUND on July 23, 2022 at 8:19 pm

    All 870s and 500s have removable barrels so they are all take downs and all have magnum, chambers if the model 12 is superior they would be being made and bought in that people would pay more for quality. The 12 is 2.34 inch garbage.

  49. The night rider on July 23, 2022 at 8:19 pm

    I have one of each and my take it similar to yours.

    The Model 12 was a hand machined hand fitted shotgun that ran smooth like a Swiss watch. It was considered an expensive gun and it was expensive to make. They stopped making them in 1964 because of the expense. In 1964. That gives you an idea of what kind of firearm this is.

    Remington 870 was amuch easier to make shotgun with fewer parts and lesser tolerances. The difference can easily be felt easily just working the actions.

    Other than them being pump shotguns, they are very different. The 870 is like a pickup truck. The 12 a Cadillac. Each are supremely durable and reliable but they’re not in the same ballpark IMHO. I shoot my 870s just fine, but my model 12 is a work of art.

  50. Gus Loader on July 23, 2022 at 8:19 pm

    Hard to fathom anyone giving this video a "Thumbs down".
    ( Insert the "Rolling Eyes in head" emoticon here! )

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