Japanese 8mm Hamada Type 2 Pistol

Japanese 8mm Hamada Type 2 Pistol

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Just as production of the .32ACP Type Hamada pistols was reaching full scale, Bunji Hamada was asked to redesign his pistol to use the standard 8mm Nambu cartridge. This he did, and after several changes required by the Army (which appear to have had more to do with giving the Army some claim to the design rather than for any practical reasons) it was adopted in 1943.

Production of the .32ACP pistols continued uninterrupted, while a defunct textile factory in Notobe was renovated to become the production plant for the new Type 2 Hamadas in 8mm. Machinery was provided by the Torimatsu factory, and the guns were to be sent to Torimatsu in the white for final finishing operations.

While several thousand were made according to surviving records, the only ones still known in existence today have serial numbers between 2 and 50 and are still in the white. This suggests that aside from a small initial (sample?) batch, all the Type 2 Hamadas were destroyed or lost – possibly by aerial bombing or during transit on the ocean.

50 Comments

  1. DreamingFlurry on September 18, 2022 at 8:00 pm

    They also dumped stuff because they didn’t want to "share" (more like surrender/give) it with the Soviet Union and other powers…one such "dumping" was the destruction of the 3 I-400 Submarine-Aircraft-Carriers (!) that the US didn’t want the Soviets to know about!

  2. J M on September 18, 2022 at 8:04 pm

    that should be type 12, +=in Chinese and Japanese means 12

  3. 1vantheterr1ble on September 18, 2022 at 8:06 pm

    STOP UPTALKING! AAARGH!

  4. Novat on September 18, 2022 at 8:06 pm

    To be fair, had they not made the changes to a civilian designed gun. They would have no face at all after they let a foreign power drop the two most devastating bombs ever used in anger.

  5. cvry05 on September 18, 2022 at 8:08 pm

    9:33 word mean is ’12 type’

  6. Joseph D. on September 18, 2022 at 8:08 pm

    It’s the same Military-bureaucratic mess that spawned the katana: don’t design what is best, listen to your overlords and do it this way, because we said so.

  7. Rick Autry on September 18, 2022 at 8:09 pm

    At 4:04, what’s with that crude machine work around the trigger guard? I know that the war puts stress on the time to manufacture everything, but these are officer’s sidearms – how embarrassing!

  8. nichevo1 on September 18, 2022 at 8:09 pm

    I note you didn’t have to retain the striker spring on this model.

  9. Gregory Clavell on September 18, 2022 at 8:10 pm

    Cool bro,,,, hello from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷🇵🇷🇵🇷💪👍

  10. AJ 1978 on September 18, 2022 at 8:10 pm

    In ancient Japan, they used people to test swords on. Perhaps they should have used Major Yato to test this gun.

  11. Claudio Diaz on September 18, 2022 at 8:11 pm

    The "+" symbol looks like the number 10 in Japanese. I’m sure Ian have good sources indicating this is the manufacturer’s sign, but most people that read Japanese would read it as a 10 and therefore "Model 12".

  12. Goldeagle1123 on September 18, 2022 at 8:13 pm

    If they were indeed delivered in February 1944, and provided they just didn’t sit in a warehouse until 1945, sunk while shipping is the most likely explanation. Immense amounts of Japanese shipping was being lost by 1944, and US bombing of Japan didn’t begin until early 1945.

  13. Florida Man on September 18, 2022 at 8:15 pm

    Were these more reliable than 8mm type 14s?

  14. PRD on September 18, 2022 at 8:19 pm

    or other possibility, the army especially major yato ordered that the gun never shipped/issue to the troopers to save more face

  15. Rafferty1968 on September 18, 2022 at 8:21 pm

    Quite an attractive little pistol. Looks like it might be comfortable to hold and shoot.

  16. Kevin Trumpf on September 18, 2022 at 8:23 pm

    What do U think is the simpliest semi auto in the world

  17. Marcus Chauvin on September 18, 2022 at 8:25 pm

    My grandfather was part of the B-29s that were bombing all of Japan.

  18. matt cullen on September 18, 2022 at 8:27 pm

    It’s amazing how often ego overrules intelligence

  19. WAFFENAMT1 on September 18, 2022 at 8:28 pm

    Only WW2 Japanese pistol I like other than a Nambu, with winter trigger guard.

  20. Al B on September 18, 2022 at 8:31 pm

    Just as Ian’s pulling the slide off it looks like a straight piece of wire pops out and you can see it on the table, about 1" long. Only just noticed it on a recent rewatch

  21. the Beatles help on September 18, 2022 at 8:33 pm

    Beautiful space age vintage pistol

  22. Trey Wait on September 18, 2022 at 8:33 pm

    It’s probably the most ‘modern’ looking Japanese WWII pistol I’ve seen. I’d love to know how it handles and what it’s like to shoot.

  23. dhy5342 on September 18, 2022 at 8:35 pm

    Maybe the bulk of them were stored at Nagasaki or Hiroshima.

  24. Franzkoviakalak on September 18, 2022 at 8:36 pm

    Very pretty gun.

  25. Kanakotka on September 18, 2022 at 8:37 pm

    Highly relevant. Apparently someone just found one of these laying around around their house. http://imgur.com/gallery/dVxVp

  26. Enigma Kashman on September 18, 2022 at 8:37 pm

    Forgotten Weapons Is it Type 2 or Type 12? The stamp looks like 十二式

  27. bikkiikun on September 18, 2022 at 8:38 pm

    The Symbol on the Safety lever is: 安 (Safe)

  28. bikkiikun on September 18, 2022 at 8:40 pm

    The problem with Japan’s military at the time was, that basically many of those "brave" officers on the "home front" were aristocrats who were brought up in a feudal tradition.

  29. Eric S. on September 18, 2022 at 8:40 pm

    Sumathegunz

  30. Aaron Kong on September 18, 2022 at 8:40 pm

    Didn’t somebody on Reddit find one of these?

  31. Zekeriyya Baytar on September 18, 2022 at 8:41 pm

    Teşekkürler

  32. Abandoned Anthracite on September 18, 2022 at 8:41 pm

    If he was alive in the 80’s and interviewed, wasnt this gun brought up at all? Surely he would of had some sort of idea on the reasoning.

  33. I'm a Friend of Sarah Connor on September 18, 2022 at 8:42 pm

    The .32 ACP works best as a concealed or suppressed Cosa Nostra Mafia tool.

  34. Advanced Monkey on September 18, 2022 at 8:44 pm

    Type 2 ? but it says type 12 in Chinese on the side?

  35. Utamaru on September 18, 2022 at 8:45 pm

    浜田型8ミリ自動拳銃 二式  Cool!

    SAFE=安

  36. もえもえ on September 18, 2022 at 8:46 pm

    けっかはっぴょ〜〜〜!!!!

  37. kotarou asagi on September 18, 2022 at 8:46 pm

    貴重な拳銃ですね。

    It is a valuable Japanese military pistol.

  38. zJoriz on September 18, 2022 at 8:48 pm

    OK, stupid question: what is ‘in the White’ and ‘Blueing’? Is it some kind of metal treatment procedure?

  39. James Evans on September 18, 2022 at 8:48 pm

    Someone caption in Japanese!

  40. guy kurtz on September 18, 2022 at 8:48 pm

    I thought all Japanese weapons had the Imperial chrysanthemum

  41. carlos ruben arias on September 18, 2022 at 8:51 pm

    Because don’t test the pistol

  42. Kreig Wulfe on September 18, 2022 at 8:53 pm

    If you were put in charge of creating a new sidearm for the Imperial Japanese that had be chambered for the 8mm Nambu round, and to be within the realm of the technology in use by the start of World War Two, what aspects of other designs at the time would you take to create your design?

  43. Party Robbins on September 18, 2022 at 8:53 pm

    I live near the Rock Island Auction house but I’ve never seen Ian McCollum.

  44. dy031101 on September 18, 2022 at 8:54 pm

    I already liked Hamada pistols (especially Type 2) better than I ever would the Nambu in general, this story that the IJA’s power that be was being a d!ckhead about its introduction only makes me like them better.

  45. Nick Ciereck on September 18, 2022 at 8:55 pm

    This is the sexiest WWII Japanese pistol I have seen

  46. チェ・ギバラ on September 18, 2022 at 8:55 pm

    良ければ桑原軽便拳銃と言う32口径のリボルバー を紹介してくれませんか?

  47. Grande Artiste on September 18, 2022 at 8:56 pm

    My guess is that the entire shipment of these Hamada pistols were lost when the ship carrying them got torpedoed by a U.S. submarine.

  48. Castillo in a Speedo on September 18, 2022 at 8:56 pm

    The coolest looking Japanese pistol of the period!

  49. redbyrd64 on September 18, 2022 at 8:59 pm

    Why did the Japanese use Arabic numerals for the serial numbers.

  50. RPM340 on September 18, 2022 at 8:59 pm

    -Gets done saying how there are no spare parts left for an ultra rare pistol- "Now guys, lets take it apart!" Ian is great

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