Standard Arms Model G Semiauto Rifle
Standard Arms Model G Semiauto Rifle
Right at the beginning of the 20th century, there were 3 options on the market for semiauto commercial sporting rifles in the US: the Remington Model 8, the Winchester 1905/1907 Self-Loader, and the Standard Arms Model G. The Remington and Winchester were both good guns, and sold well – the Standard Arms was pretty much a flop, and has definitely become a forgotten weapon today.
The Model G used a tilting bolt like the FAL and a long-stroke gas piston to cycle, and had the interesting option of allowing the shooter to disable the gas system and run the rifle as a pump action instead. It was available in the standard Remington autoloader cartridges, with .30 Remington seeming to have been the most common (and both of these examples are in .30).
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Should have been named Sub-Standard Arms… lol 😂🤣
I question how many pens you’ve broken in the name of disassembly, Ian.
suggestion lahti l-35
Jesus… Jesus… Lol…
What did u do to your thumb.. looks like u almost cut the tip of your thumb off
I like this tune you use back in these days
That tilting bolt makes me think of the BAR. Fascinating design, shame it was so fragile.
I had two of them a 25 and 30 cal. And though cool guns ,very finicky and needed to be very clean to run I. I’ll take the rem model 8 any day
Is it just me, or does Ian look a lot like Buffalo Bill Cody? 🙂
I wonder if the semi-auto/pump idea for the SPAS 12 was partially derived from these. Very interesting design… too bad it was never refined.
Anybody else think it’s a bit of a bummer when you find out about early designs like this that could have been OK but then had one fatal flaw like this one?
I still have a lot of respect for these early designers who really went out on a limb and took chances – even if their designs couldn’t quite cut it. That’s one of the many reasons I love this channel so much. Bravo, Ian!
Can’t remove the bolt?
The pen is mightier than the gun?
Really dig the brass hand guard and butt plate, sets the rifle apart
I found this to be a very interesting piece of gun design history that I never knew existed it’s fascinating! What a really interesting design. Thanks for sharing this.
Three people had ones that didn’t work.
To be honest, I see no point in these early semi automatic rifles, I see why they weren’t popular.
Hey look, I finally have a gun that’s in one of your videos
"Here we have a rifle that works great,
as long as you don’t use it as a firearm."
😉
It loads like an FSA 1917
When moving the bolt backwards, the striker spring was deprest, why is that?
I have a number of both the Standard Model M and the Model G rifles. Your presentation on these rifles was very enjoyable as are all your other firearm examinations. I’ve learned a lot on many of the firearms in my modest collection.
However, I am very familiar with the Standard Model G design and have to say that your statement that the connecting arm/gas piston pin was a primary cause of their in service failure is a symptom, not the root cause of their failures.There are two primary causes of the pin failure. One, these gas operated rifles, as are most other rifles with similar operating designs, require frequent cleaning of the gas operating system. You did not perform this maintenance task in your video for obvious reasons, since the rifles were to be soon sold at auction.If you had accomplished this task, you would have appreciated just how cumbersome this process is/was on the Standard Arms Mdl G rifle. First, the small blank just behind the front sight boss must be driven out revealing a set screw which secures the boss to the barrel. Back out this screw and then you must drift the front sight boss forward toward to muzzle by about 3/8" to 1/2", so that you can unscrew the gas cylinder from the boss and then you can remove the slide tube and then clean the gas system.Many original owners failed to do this as is evident from the examples that I’ve seen and disassembled, which are typically very badly fouled.This fouling would cause the rifle to malfunction, especially in cold weather, so the owner would open up the gas valve to the full open position. Subsequently usage, especially during the warmer months of the year would result in excessive operating forces and thus the cross head pin would fail unless this gas valve was readjusted.
Another problem with this gas operated rifle design is that there is a significant amount of friction surfaces between the operating rods and the interior surfaces of the upper receiver half involved during normal cycling.Excess oil and cold weather operation would result in malfunctions, similar to gas system fouling and the same scenario with subsequent warm weather operation without a readjustment of the gas valve would damage the mechanism.
Basically, many original owners were just not familiar with the maintenance requirements of a gas operated firearm mechanism and these were especially obtuse and cumbersome with respect to the Standard Arms Mdl G rifles.
PS: Here is a photo of the original Standard Arms disassembly and gas valve tool:
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It is inserted into a .35 Rem cartridge case when not in use.
That handle, though… It’s a piece of art!
Came here after the “Camp rifle” video, six years on.
Today on FW: how Standard Arms screwed up building a basic hunting weapon by trying too hard!
hi folks ! i need sum hint !? what´s the exact producers name ? is it "Standart MFG" ? i found it hart to solve this question online !^^
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Hey Dude what did they sell for at the auction?
you look like an ian im not even surprised
They look like they could have been fairly successful if the load bearing parts had been engineered better. The way that it disassembles, operates, and loads seems reasonable even by today’s standards.
I’ve actually got to hold and handle one if these
Does this remind anyone of the SPAS-12?
I always wanted one of these, but i have a reproduction
Drop shadow on the white lettering is an improvement!
Just came from the camp model video, hope this gets a bump!
All these videos are very interesting, just a shame you can’t shoot a few rounds through them. I understand that either the auction house doesn’t wanna get the guns dirtied or damaged, and in addition to that the guns might use exotic ammunition no longer in production.
Interesting note, when the bolt was pulled to the rear, it moved the striker back as well (putting tension on the spring). As it unlocks, the tension is released.
I can see problem with these rifles: the "bolt carrier" is loo light, it cannot store enough kinetic energy to cycle the action reliably. The "solution" found for this problem, making the guns working in manual reloading mode only, shows that gas operation wasn’t properly understood at that time.
so theres USA going into ww2 with its garand and its all semi automatic, but we had semi-automatic rifle caliber fire power in *1909?!* whew, im amazed that this thing wasnt adopted as the standard firearm of a country long before ww1 or ww2.
Thank you, this is the first I have seen of this rifle. If the design had been more robust and refined this could well have been a success. Two modes, auto and pump, would have endeared the gun to folks who liked the semi-auto rifle but doubted its reliability and gave them the fall back option of the manual pump action.
Interesting how they overlooked putting the rear sight to the rear of the receiver.
1. It would have been interesting to see that pin.
2. This rifle, the flaw fixed, could succeed in the market today. (Over to you, Davide Pedersoli.)
I love seeing cool older innovative firearms like these.
That old theme’s radder’n hell.
it killed them in the market .. quailty pun
Lots of these old guns have nothing modern. Instead, WE are using the concepts, which WERE modern. So, actually, they were modern, and WE aren’t.
"A fancy disassembling tool"
*pulls out red ball-point pen. More like a multi-tasking feat of engineering!
dat jesus weave.
loven it
Manufactured here in good ole Delaware! It’s official we’re on the map. Albeit, over a 100 years ago lol:-)
Was this ever fielded in a millitary setting?
If not why?
Gun Jesus looks extra Jesusy today.
if ria would let you I would like to suggest some snap caps to show fuction of some of the guns